Comments on: “Is the West Racist Toward Muslims and Arabs?” The US should hold Arabs and Muslims to a universal standard http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/08/31/899 netWMD is dedicated to understanding, promoting, and protecting democracy. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:00:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on “Is the West Racist Toward Muslims and Arabs?” The US should hold Arabs and Muslims to a universal standard by: max muller http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/08/31/899#comment-42130 Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:04:47 +0000 http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/08/31/899#comment-42130 *** Muslim: A believer in or adherent of Islam. *** So one can be bigoted to Muslims, not racist. Now” bigoted” means “Not tolerant of the beliefs or opinions of others” However, if we question the legitimacy of Islam as a religion and regard it more as a religious political organization, consider it dangerous to all other religions , then this is not bigotry by definition. To be concerned about murderous “beliefs or opinions”, to be concerned about a threat to survival does not make a person a bigot. We originally had the idea of tolerance and freedom for all religions when we thought all religions were peaceful. Each religion wanted protection from the aggression of the others. So they formed this mutual pact “We won’t bother each other”. Then along came Nazism, and it was put down. Not too many were concerned that it had in fact a religious mystical ideology. When a religion comes along that brings with it universal death misery, terror and tyranny, the basic model model of freedoms and tolerance must be re-evaluated. If a religion like Islam lose enough demerit points as it has , it should lose some of it’s driving rights, such as being involved in any way in politics. As in believe in a peaceful and loving God and stay the Heck out of politics. Or make laws applicable to all religions equally so so that the loophole is covered. The point is that Islam is not just “any old religion” It predominates the Middle East, so how can anyone expect the same attitude in the Middle East as elsewhere? *** "This hypocrisy is most often apparent in western policy toward the Arab world. … Arabs are different from us and we must be more, shall we say, reasonable both in what we expect from them and in what they may expect from us … that US policymakers still embrace a doctrine of condescension and inequality when it comes to demanding the same human rights standards for Arabs and Muslims" *** It’s not all hypocrisy, we liberated Iraq and the liberated immediately started killing us to establish their own tyranny. The Muslim religion in the Middle East is almost inseparable for the main from authoritarian control , not democracy. It shouldn’t be surprising for many American policymakers to throw us their hands and give Democracy a perfunctory effort. To add on top of that most of the West is very selfish and introverted, not caring about the oppression in ANY other country. Not caring and not knowing. The public little cares about Western culpability in sweat shops and slavery in South America and Asia. Nor, for instance do they care much about or even care to understand the suffering of the Chinese people in China under the CCP. All humans are one family. No country should be allowed to repress it’s citizens. Every Human has the responsibility for the suffering of all others on this planet. No ruler is exempt anywhere. Not many believe in that. *** "In 2004, the last year for which statistics are available, there were 1,374 religious hate crimes. Of these, 954 were anti-Jewish, 95 anti-Christian and 156 anti-Muslim" *** *** It indicates the haters sure got the wrong priorities. Not that hate crimes have any point or validity. In Canada the Muslims now substantially outnumber the Jews. I think it is the same in the USA. Hate of tyranny and threat certainly has some validity so it seems that there should be more “aggressive displacement” towards Muslims than Jews. … In a hierarchy of irrationalities, it seems a greater irrationality to not target associated threat groups. I wonder what accounts for these statistics? Michael Moore endorsements of Rachel Cory?? Mel Gibson on his rampages? ***
Muslim: A believer in or adherent of Islam.
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So one can be bigoted to Muslims, not racist.

Now” bigoted” means “Not tolerant of the beliefs or opinions of others” However, if we question the legitimacy of Islam as a religion and regard it more as a religious political organization, consider it dangerous to all other religions , then this is not bigotry by definition. To be concerned about murderous “beliefs or opinions”, to be concerned about a threat to survival does not make a person a bigot.

We originally had the idea of tolerance and freedom for all religions when we thought all religions were peaceful. Each religion wanted protection from the aggression of the others. So they formed this mutual pact “We won’t bother each other”. Then along came Nazism, and it was put down. Not too many were concerned that it had in fact a religious mystical ideology.
When a religion comes along that brings with it universal death misery, terror and tyranny, the basic model model of freedoms and tolerance must be re-evaluated. If a religion like Islam lose enough demerit points as it has , it should lose some of it’s driving rights, such as being involved in any way in politics. As in believe in a peaceful and loving God and stay the Heck out of politics. Or make laws applicable to all religions equally so so that the loophole is covered.

The point is that Islam is not just “any old religion” It predominates the Middle East, so how can anyone expect the same attitude in the Middle East as elsewhere?

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“This hypocrisy is most often apparent in western policy toward the Arab world.
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Arabs are different from us and we must be more, shall we say, reasonable both in what we expect from them and in what they may expect from us
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that US policymakers still embrace a doctrine of condescension and inequality when it comes to demanding the same human rights standards for Arabs and Muslims”
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It’s not all hypocrisy, we liberated Iraq and the liberated immediately started killing us to establish their own tyranny. The Muslim religion in the Middle East is almost inseparable for the main from authoritarian control , not democracy. It shouldn’t be surprising for many American policymakers to throw us their hands and give Democracy a perfunctory effort.

To add on top of that most of the West is very selfish and introverted, not caring about the oppression in ANY other country. Not caring and not knowing. The public little cares about Western culpability in sweat shops and slavery in South America and Asia. Nor, for instance do they care much about or even care to understand the suffering of the Chinese people in China under the CCP.

All humans are one family. No country should be allowed to repress it’s citizens. Every Human has the responsibility for the suffering of all others on this planet. No ruler is exempt anywhere.
Not many believe in that.

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“In 2004, the last year for which statistics are available, there were 1,374 religious hate crimes. Of these, 954 were anti-Jewish, 95 anti-Christian and 156 anti-Muslim”
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It indicates the haters sure got the wrong priorities. Not that hate crimes have any point or validity. In Canada the Muslims now substantially outnumber the Jews. I think it is the same in the USA. Hate of tyranny and threat certainly has some validity so it seems that there should be more “aggressive displacement” towards Muslims than Jews.
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In a hierarchy of irrationalities, it seems a greater irrationality to not target associated threat groups.

I wonder what accounts for these statistics?
Michael Moore endorsements of Rachel Cory?? Mel Gibson on his rampages?

]]> Comment on “Is the West Racist Toward Muslims and Arabs?” The US should hold Arabs and Muslims to a universal standard by: publisher http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/08/31/899#comment-41365 Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:49:13 +0000 http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/08/31/899#comment-41365 It is disturbing that just as Bush has started using the term "Islamic fascism," the Dept. of Homeland Security is giving red-carpet treatment (and insider security info) to Islamist terror enablers. See: <a href="http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/08/18/859" rel="nofollow">http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/08/18/859</a> It is disturbing that just as Bush has started using the term “Islamic fascism,” the Dept. of Homeland Security is giving red-carpet treatment (and insider security info) to Islamist terror enablers. See:

http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/08/18/859

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In the US the Islamic religion has been treated like it was given to the world by God himself, especially since 11 September 2001. The rest of the religions celebrated by the rest of the citizenry of this country are treated as if they are leporous, that they would corrupt the country, the world.
It is a real shame, shame of the liberal politicians and others who are complict in the way our government has treated Muslim governments and the way they treat not only their own citizens but the way our own people are treated when visiting those countries. There is no outrage, or otherwise, expressed by the US government when other religions are supressed in these countries. No outrage is expressed at the confiscation of Bibles from tourists visiting these countries. I’d say we have a pretty good record of religious tolerance 156 out of 1374 religious hate crimes.
And where in the hell in this country and all of the religions celebrated here are women are killed because they are raped. Or because a woman’s husband, son or brother has committed some crime the woman is punished, heinously and in some cases murdered. I do not call this a religion that needs to be tolerated. I call this type of “religion” a cult, plain and simple. They are just lucky that more “hate-crimes” are not committed against them.

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