MoveOn.org’s Noah Winer attempts damage control
November 3, 2006, 12:52 am![]() |
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by Bill Levinson
Christmas has come early even for those of us who are not Christians. The first lesson of playing cards is, “Don’t see and raise when you ain’t got no cards and your opponent has all the aces.” MoveOn.org’s Noah Winer has chosen to see and raise us on our position that MoveOn.org knowingly and willfully welcomed racist, anti-Christian, and anti-Semitic hate speech at its Action Forum and then lied about removing it. This is going to be about as sporting as shooting fish in a barrel or slaughtering sheep (in a meat packing factory) but here we go.
This from Jewschool and the National Jewish Democratic Council, which yesterday micturated on its own feet by quoting anti-Semitic “Jews as Christian haters” propaganda in an attempt to divide Jews and Evangelical Christians.
JEWSCHOOL Were you aware, before this scandal broke, that there were individuals using the cover of anti-Zionism to espouse antisemitic views in the MoveOn forums and that these posts were receiving disturbingly high ratings?
NOAH WINER We discovered and removed the posts before the scandal broke. Almost all the comments were posted and rated highly by non-MoveOn members who joined the forum with multiple accounts to create trouble.
“We discovered and removed the posts before the scandal broke.”
Except for the ones we harvested not only after the scandal broke, but more than two weeks after MoveOn.org’s press release of September 2. Unless otherwise stated (e.g. “Google Cache”) every single one of these was found on or after September 17.
http://www.stentorian.com/MoveOn/sideshow1.html
http://www.stentorian.com/MoveOn/sideshow2.html
“Almost all the comments were posted and rated highly by non-MoveOn members who joined the forum with multiple accounts to create trouble.”
That’s also interesting because it seemed to us that individuals who identified themselves as Hutchinson and Ellis were forum regulars, and they were responsible for a lot of the hate speech. In addition, one of them linked a separate http://outbush2005.blogspot.com/ that contained the same kind of hate speech.
JEWSCHOOL: Did MoveOn erase the posts of individuals who raised concerns about these manifestations of antisemitism, as has been alleged by MoveOn’s detractors?
Yes, we can attest that our posts as well as those of Jan Poller were erased.
WINER: Judaism is a big part of my life, culturally and spiritually.
Then why, Mr. Winer, did you yourself post an official MoveOn.org bulletin– and this is NOT the Action Forum, but an official bulletin– that cites an anti-Semitic source (the Christisons)?
PAX ISRAELICA?
…This essay describes many of the familiar neo-conservatives as having “dual loyalties,” making policy decisions in the interests of the State of Israel as much as the United States.
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html
Now who are Bill and Kathleen Christison? By their works shall ye know them:
Authors’ note: Given the prevailing atmosphere in the United States for debate on Israel, the frequency with which critics of Israel are accused of malicious ethnic motives, and the widespread skittishness about associating Israel or American Jews with war planning against Iraq, the following items are of particular interest. The first of these items reports a clear Jewish effort to suppress any evidence of Jewish support for war. The second is evidence, from a non-Jewish perspective, of the effect of the silence imposed on critics of Israel.
This is the source that Mr. Noah T. Winer saw fit to quote. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ also seems to like the Christisons, take a look at their Web page.
JEWSCHOOL: …Who manages and maintains the MoveOn message forums — in-house staff or outside volunteers?
WINER: …We have a moderator who tries to catch really offensive comments, but we don’t approve everything that’s posted.
That’s funny, Mr. Winer, because your own FAQ page at http://www.actionforum.com/general/faq.html says that every comment is read twice. Furthermore, your overworked moderator had no trouble at all in finding criticisms of MoveOn.org or pro-Israel commentary, because those were deleted. We, who are not even being paid to do it, had no trouble finding the hate speech.
Related: Anti-Semitism, Elections





